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Camp Toilet
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gungy
This post here is essentially for eco-freaks only.




Okay, eco freaks... most of you are already aware of the massive waste stream that Americans produce and how it's a problem. You're also no doubt aware of our dwindling fresh water supplies. While Michigan may have the Great Lakes, only 2% of that water gets replenished each year, meaning we can only remove so much before it becomes too much. Another problem we're also facing is the nutrient depletion (and consequent poisoning due to fertilizers) of our soils. This project aims to address all three of these issues.

Bear in mind, this is not my idea. This has been used by peeps in rural India for untold centuries, but has been most recently publicized by a guy who wrote "The Humanure Handbook." Basically, it's a simple composting toilet. Instead of flushing everything away, it collects in a local reservoir which is then emptied onto a compost pile about once a week. After each use, sawdust is added to provide carbonaceous material for the composting process (people provide the nitrogen) and to eliminate odors. The typical first response from people seeing it is "oh, a litterbox for people."

The book outlines how to make it safe, how to ensure disease is eliminated, and how to keep it odor-free. People are so grossed out by this, though, that in no way do I expect them to become mainstream. I DO see them as a great substitute for outhouses or temporary toilets, though! But enough about that. The main problem I saw with the designs I looked up was that they were essentially boxes with a hole cut in the top for a bucket. It didn't look like a toilet, it had no appeal, and I could only imagine having the backs of your knees scraped up by the corners. Not finding anything I liked, I decided to build this puppy:





Basically, I needed something that was ROUND. Nobody wants to sit on a square toilet. I had some plywood sitting around (the rest is made from 1x3 whiteboard from Lowe's) so I cut it to be about the size of the seat (yes, I bought the seat. I didn't make that part. I wanted it to be easily exchanged with manufactured varieties.) Everything else worked from there.





Here we can see the lid and seat up. It's designed to fit over a regular 5-gallon bucket from Home Depot or Lowe's or wherever. That'll last two people about a week before it gets too full of sawdust. The top of the bucket just barely fits through that top hole - that's to make sure nothing misses the bucket. You can also see here where I had to turn the little footies on the bottom of the seat about 90 degrees to allow for the bucket. Any replacement seat will have to be modified, too, but it's easy and necessary.



Here the whole top is removed to allow access to the bucket. I used regular drywall screws to put it together because they're cheap and I had them on hand. You can also see that I cut the hole by hand with a jigsaw - not exactly straight near the handle. The two big holes in the back allow room for the seat bolts to slide completely through. No hardware needs to be adjusted to remove the top - it just lifts off. There's also a little ledge where the handle to the bucket rests so that you don't need to reach down in there, either.



And here the bucket's removed altogether. This was the first project I've ever stained and sealed. Not having any plans (just an idea in my head) meant that I didn't know if it was going to work until I was done. Once I got to that point, I didn't want to take it apart again, so I stained and sealed it all as one piece, which involved a lot of brush contortions to get into grooves and stuff. Next time I'll stain each piece as I go.



Here you can make out little rubber footies on the bottom. I didn't countersink the drywall screws the first time I put them in (I've since gone back and done that) so I was afraid that the heads would scratch any surface they were on. I bought about 5 little rubber stoppers and drilled holes into them, then screwed them into the bottom for feet. Ideally I'd have gotten pre-made feet, but oddly I couldn't find any that would work.







These show better detail on the "tank," which was added later. I first just made the seat, but then thought that it didn't look "toilet" enough without the tank. A place for storing sawdust before use is needed, anyway, so I built the little tank for the back. I put it together with drywall screws, too, with the exception of the front few. There's a little handhold groove cut into the front of the lid so that when the lid is closed, the screw heads are visible. I replaced those with brass so it'd look nicer. I HATE working with brass, though! It's too soft!

You can tell from the last picture that the tank was an afterthought because of how the legs for the tank don't match in size. I just used some pieces of lumber that I had on hand. Ideally, though, this thing would be up against a wall, so you won't see those, anyway. I did go back and put brass screws in those, though, for aesthetic reasons, so I suppose I could go back and make the legs right, as well.

Overall, this project required a LOT of labor but very little money. A lot of it I built from stuff I had on hand, and the whiteboard is dirt cheap. If I was going to build another one (which my sister says I should do and then sell it online) I would consider building it all as one unit. Right now the front part has to pull away from the tank to allow for changing the bucket, which really shouldn't be necessary. I'd also use my math more when cutting holes so they'd look prettier. Some people say it looks great as it is, but I'll always be able to see the flaws where I hacked things together.

I'm considering whether or not I want to use this in my house. It's one thing to built it, but another thing altogether to USE it, you know? I'm still divided on the issue. It would fit with my ideal, definitely, but... it might be hard to convince chicks to stay over for any length of time. Some people just can't get past the bucket.

A coworker of mine grew up with a composting toilet, as he was raised by hippies. I wonder if his looked like this. I'd use this if I were in the woods or something, though I'd probably find it a little weird in civilization.

True, true... but one of the benefits of a house on wheels is that you don't have to hang out in civilization all the time. I'd imagine it would just take a little getting used to. At least, I hope that's the case!

Interesting. I do agree with your sister though. Definately make another one and sell it online. Now that you've already made the prototype, any ones you make now should be easier since you have an idea of what works and what doesn't.

Actually, after making the first one, there are a LOT of changes that I have in mind. Also, if I'm going to sell one, I'll want to use some actual jigs to make sure the circles are round and the lines are straight. I think a second prototype (testtype?) is in order.

Psssh, any chick that had any potential for you as a long-term chick shouldn't have any problems with it. I've used composting toilets before, they're not bad at all.

True, good point. If she's gonna put up with me, she's got a lot more to worry about than bucket toilets!

I'm not an eco-freak, but I read it anyway

lorie_journal

2009-06-26 06:45 pm (UTC)

I only flipped through the Humanure book briefly once, but my overall impression was that the bucket toilet design was very reminiscent of an outhouse. I think the design you created goes a long way to remove that visual stigma. I'm still not sure I'm down with pooping in a bucket, but I might learn to live with it if it was such a well-disguised bucket.

Re: I'm not an eco-freak, but I read it anyway

gungy

2009-07-02 10:24 pm (UTC)

Thanks. Of course, society has been able to deal with the waste issue by allowing people to "flush" and pretend that everything just "goes away." Maybe we could employ the same tactic here by just not looking at the bucket.

You know people squat in most parts of the world... The toilette has a place for your feet to go, not your ass.

It's quite impressive. If you had a stationary cabin in the middle of nowhere I think people would take to it more. Modern conveniences are nice though.

Yeah, they are, and that's one of the issues I'm grappling with. I know our current infrastructure is not sustainable, but I don't want to give up what it's provided. I wouldn't want a house without hot running water or electricity, no matter how good for the environment it is, so I need to find things that provide for my learned laziness while also being "safe." For me, this design fits the bill, although it probably won't for everyone...

I love this!!! Are you going to use it at your house or is it for your trailer? Could you maybe help us build one (if I can convince Thomas we need it)? I've been very interested in compost toilets recently, but didn't know where to start. I'm not as handy as you are. I also don't have all of the proper tools.

I don't think Christina would allow me to use it here (except maybe as a test) but I'm strongly considering using it for the trailer. As for helping you build one, well... I've honestly been looking for an excuse to build another one. I have a few changes I have in mind that would make it simpler to use and easier to make. Stop by some time if you want to look at it and we can talk about it!

Hi Jonathan, my name is Anita...it's been some time since I read your posts on composing toilets, you did a nice job, like the color a lot...I'm a girlie girl and I could have tried 100 times and I wouldn't have come close! I was wondering if you have started selling them yet, if so I have included my e-mail ( nature_1957@yahoo.com ) to see if you could send me the information on buying. I have looked up information on how to use, but I didn't see any on emptying it...except when using for planting and other farm use...I think I'll be ok using it if the sawdust really do eliminate the odor! I am not local, I live in Florida so I hope that wont be a problem...hope to hear from you. Take care, Anita

the loveable loo

(Anonymous)

2011-04-19 07:18 pm (UTC)

see humanurehandbook.com
it's called the loveable loo, already exists

Re: the loveable loo

gungy

2011-04-20 11:34 pm (UTC)

Um, yeah. I totally said that, and even linked it in my post. It was in the second paragraph, before the pics even start.

This is so cool. I would so use that toilet. - Lindsay T.H. Phila,Pa

Thanks, Lindsay! It was pretty easy to build, too, and it works surprisingly well! Give it a shot!

That is one very stylish bucket.



Just a thought on a possible modification if installing in a trailer house.

Change the shape slightly (this may not be necessary) so that the bucket sits as close as possible to an outside wall of the trailer.

Then put a lockagble access hatch in the wall behind your toilet.

Make/buy a bucket that has grab handless on the side of the bucket.

Position the bucket so that the grab handles faces the hatch.

You could then remove the bucket from outside,rather than carrying it through your house to empty it.

This is how the old 'night carters' accessed outside pan toilets here a millenium ago and its how 'cassette' toilets are accessed in RV's/caravans.

Funny how you come up with a great design and everyone gets picky picky picky :)

None the less it does have a great deal more aesthetic appeal than any others I have seen, including the RV toilets I have seen. I would have no problems with using this toilet.

Nerida - Australia

You definitely could do something like that! It would take a great deal more foresight and planning than I put forth, though. When I'm concerned about spillage, I just put a lid on the bucket before I carry it out.

Also, if you do decide to have an outside access door, make sure to put something in place that'll lock the toilet seat lid down when you go to empty it. Otherwise you'll run the risk of someone inside trying to use the toilet after you've taken the bucket out!

compost

(Anonymous)

2011-04-25 08:40 pm (UTC)

Are you currently composting? If so, what kind of bin did you build? thanks

Not yet, unfortunately. I haven't been in any one place long enough to establish a responsible compost pile. I will once I get some land, though.

living with a humanure toilet

(Anonymous)

2011-10-19 03:19 pm (UTC)

I lived for quite a time at a place that had several humanure toilets. They were in simple boxes. Unfortunately they used 7 gal. buckets, and if I didn't empty it in time, got almost too heavy for me to lift. Plus they were a little high, I have short legs. As long as people were good about adding the sawdust, leaves, whatever we had on hand, odor was not an issue.
I love your design. I'm currently dreaming about a tumbleweed, if I could only get my husband in one.

Re: living with a humanure toilet

gungy

2011-10-28 08:38 pm (UTC)

Good luck! And yeah, I've been using this toilet for a few years now, and it's been working fine for me. Simple solution!

Modern convenience?

(Anonymous)

2012-01-14 01:17 am (UTC)

I keep coming back to this because I think it is brilliant.

Re-reading some of the posts reminded me...

I live 50 kilometres from a major city. I was studying there when a bushfire went through and 400 homes were lost. That was traumatice enough for quit a number of the residents. However the sewage treatment plant and water supply infrastrasture was severely damaged.

The authorities asked the entire city, Not to shower, wash clothes or use the toilet for 3 days, while they rebuilt/repaired the damage. I never actually asked any of my fellow student residents how they coped. But it was a big reminder as to how dependent we are on the modern conveniences.

Its very convenient until it fails.

Re: Modern convenience?

gungy

2012-01-23 05:42 pm (UTC)

Oh, Lord... I'd imagine most people left town for those days! My guess is that many of them had no idea where to even start. Quite a revealing story there... I like it!

"traumatice" ?? oh well the engilsh language is a growing moving thing :)

The toilet of my dreams!

(Anonymous)

2012-02-21 05:18 am (UTC)

Thank you for building the toilet of my dreams! I kept trying to explain to my husband that I needed "a place to put my feet". It made no sense to him, but I would have better explained it by saying that I'm not comfortable sitting on a box! I finally found the correct combination of words to google that brought me here. Thank goodness! I saw that people asked you to build them and sell them, maybe it would be easier to post a "building plan". Are you familiar with instructables.com? Your toilet would be well received, if you choose to do it. Thanks again and take care!

I give you a serious across border air five for this one.

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